Wiremu: We have a term called whānau ora, which means family wellbeing. In order for someone to be well, they need the family to be well. So it is about bringing that into place and also instilling that knowledge in somebody that for their wellbeing their family needs to be healthy. For us working in a holistic way includes the physical, the spiritual, the mental and psychological and also the relational domains.

Allister: Wiremu thinks of family differently than I do. When we meet with a family quite often I would ask about the parents’ generation and the grandparents’ generation. But Wiremu is often thinking in up to seven generations. I’ve come to know that he perceives it quite differently and that he often thinks of problems coming down the generations. So he might be looking for a cause to the problem, which dates back a few generations. And the family might not even know it, but then they might go investigating and find out what Wiremu is talking about.